Wednesday, November 05, 2008

thoughts on the election

-i don't understand a country that wants to protect the practice of tearing unborn children apart alive but can't tolerate the thought of letting gay couples be legally married.

-although i cried today because i am afraid of where the laws are heading, and will likely head, regarding abortion, i also cried today out of joy at seeing our nation's ability to not simply look beyond race but to see it and embrace it.

-i am so thankful that God is sovereign.

7 comments:

Kyle said...

You seem to assume that a vote against Barack Obama is a vote to end abortion. It's not.

After eight years of our last Republican president, abortion is still legal. And if John McCain were elected, it would still be legal in 2012.

I understand that you want to vote for someone who has the same views as you do, but in truth the president's opinion about abortion has no bearing on the legality or illegality of it.

6wayintersection said...

Amen!

seb and jesse said...

kyle, you seem to assume from the exactly 2 things i've written on the subject that i have no capacity for observation or rational thought. i almost defended myself on your blog, but decided no one would have listened to me anyway, being just a 'christian like me.'

his pro-choice status was my biggest point of departure with obama out of only a handful. i felt convicted not to give him my vote because i felt convicted by the holy spirit, despite all of the intellectual arguments my brain was throwing at me, and since i do put my faith in Christ, and since feeling truly convicted by the spirit is something that does not happen to me every day, i listened. i make no apologies for this.

i also want a leader who is led by the holy spirit, when possible, and though i have no claims of insight into mccain's heart, i have a difficult time accepting a statement of genuine faith in Christ that coincides with the support of abortion. i do apologize if this offends you, but it is how i feel. i am not saying it is impossible, or that obama is not christian.

i expected exactly 0% positive change regarding abortion law if mccain had been elected. abortion has to be something addressed on a one to one, heart to heart basis. but though things may not have improved under mccain legally, at least they may not have gotten much worse. and i do recognize that hopefully some of obama's efforts will help either improve conditions that push women towards abortion or help prevent unwanted pregnancies.

finally, i recognize that no president can singlehandedly re-write abortion law for better or worse. my comments regarding the future of said laws stemmed as much from various ballot measures and democratic congressional gains as from obama's stance on the issue, all of which i interpret to a degree as deepening public acceptance of abortion. and that is the part that really scares me.

seb and jesse said...

upon rereading my reply comment i see that i started out way more defensive and catty than i realized i was being or than was called for. my apologies for the snippy intro. it's been an emotional few days, but i suppose if i'm going to talk about putting my faith in Christ i ought to try to do so in His love.

i stand by the rest of what i said.

Kyle said...

I just now checked back here to see if there were any responses.

I'm sorry if you felt attacked when you commented on my blog. I remember at least one comment against you by another user that was pretty harsh. I hope you don't see my comments that way. I know I come on a little strong when it comes to political issues, but I never want to make you feel disrespected personally.

I've always thought of you as an intelligent and thoughtful person, and I can even respect your reasons for voting for McCain as you've outlined. I can understand that kind of moral conviction.

What I took issue with in your post is the perception that people who voted for Obama were voting to keep abortion legal, or vice versa. Abortion was pretty much a non-issue for most people this year, and the election of Obama should not be seen as the public declaring their support for more abortions.

6wayintersection said...

ummm,

I meant amen to what jesse posted.
:) oops

seb and jesse said...

no, i understand that obama's election was not primarily related to his abortion stance, and agree that abortion was fairly a non-issue in the presidential election, though there were ballot measures in a few states. but to me the fact that it was a non-issue says almost as much as if it had been front and center. because to me, the mass killing of the unborn should not be any any more acceptable than the mass killing of any other group of people. if people of any specific ethnicity or religion were being killed in the us in the same numbers it would be considered genocide. and to have what i consider genocide to be a non-issue... the indifference is almost worse to me.